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On Episode 2
At FLG Lacrosse Club, CEO Mike Winkoff and his son, Program Director Corey Winkoff, have a unique approach toward the youth lacrosse. Their mission is to develop well-rounded "studletes" who excel on the field, in the classroom and in their communities.
In Episode Two, we sit down with Mike and Corey Winkoff from FLG Lacrosse. The Winkoff’s have a ton of experience in the lacrosse space as players, coaches and administrators. In the podcast, they provide poignant commentary on a variety of topics including the early recruiting phenomenon, and provide salient advice for club owners, parents and student-athletes.
Show Notes
- On first positive and first negative experience of playing lacrosse as a parent/coach-son combination, and using those experiences to shape current the current mindset [3:40]
- On the history of FLG Lacrosse [7:25]
- On how they go about helping players in the recruiting process [9:00]
- On why they enjoy assisting players in the recruiting process [11:15]
- On helping parents who may be feeling the pressure in the recruiting process [13:15]
- On the clubs values, goals and philosophy [24:15]
- On early recruiting [26:15]
- On establishing relationships between the club and college coaches [36:10]
- On advice to club staffers and parents in dealing with the recruiting process [40:30]
Selected Quotes from Mike Winkoff
- “I wasn’t happy with the landscape. So we started a team. We had one team, and raised the money from donors. Nobody paid for anything – hotels, tournament fees, etc. The following year (2006-7), we had three teams – two boys teams and one girls team – and raised $225,000. Of course in 2008, the world changed and we had to move to the pay for play model. But that is where we started.”
- “The recruiting process for me and the directors is probably our favorite part of the job, because you are helping somebody make the biggest decision in lives to that point that is going to form the rest of their life. It’s a great experience.”
- “The bottom line is you have to be real with the family. Every student-athlete is so different. If you have anxiety because somebody else does something – that is a bit short-sighted. You can’t get caught up in the stuff that’s not important. What’s important is the happiness of the child. At the end of the day, it’s about where and when is the right fit.”
- “The pressure put on these kids, being recruited so young, is unfortunate. If it was up to myself and Corey, they would only recruit rising seniors. But we can’t change that landscape. So what we have to do is tell parents and help them realize. We once had a player get 11 DI offers his rising senior year. So there is always opportunity. At the end of the day, the kid who commits later is in a better spot. They are finding the right fit. An eighth or ninth grader cannot find the right fit. They are just trying to figure out high school.” “We know the process is flawed. These kids aren’t ready to make the decision of where to go to college. It’s all about guidance, and sometimes, the parents need it more than the kids.”
- "LacrosseRecruits is our organizational tool for recruiting, and it's been a godsend. It helps our kids organize themselves; it helps us organize each recruit – following their activity and seeing what they are doing. We need that tool for a small program like ours – I can only imagine how bigger organizations do not have something like that.”
- “If you come to our program, everybody plays equally. We are not looking to win the fourth grade national championship. It’s not something that means anything to us. We want to develop the players and get them better. Our goals are different than other people’s goals.”
- “The biggest problem that I see is they are not spending the time to evaluate the fit. They are rushing through the process instead of doing their homework. Look at the process identically as if you weren’t an athlete. Do the homework about the school – how the child fits academically, socially and economically for the family.”
- "I believe that our job as club directors is to be what the guidance teacher is in school. Get to know the student-athlete and what makes them happy. We all know the happier the student, the better their experience."
- “We are not saying our philosophies are the right ones. We are saying they are ours. We want like-minded people in the organization. We are not saying we are right and others are wrong. We are saying if these philosophies and morals align with yours, come join our program."
Selected Quotes from Corey Winkoff
- “Youth sports shouldn’t really be about the wins and the losses. It should be about the development.”
- “We find it insane that there are clubs out there with four or five teams per age group. How could you possibly help all of those kids? That’s why we stick to the one team per age group.”
- “Every player’s recruiting process is different. Some happen a lot sooner than others. That’s where the time comes in. We have a passion for helping players get from one stage to the next. The motivation comes naturally.”
- “It depends on what you represent and what you want your brand to represent. In our minds, if we have 20 players, we want 20 players to have amazing experiences and be happy. If only 19 are happy, it’s up to us to reevaluate.”
- “If you are playing for our program, we feel you want to use the sport of lacrosse to get into a great school or set yourself up for success.”
About FLG Lacrosse
Through lacrosse, FLG teaches its members valuable skills, such as leadership, teamwork, friendship and a good work ethic, that are important in every aspect of life. Off the field, FLG players are taught the importance of giving back, partaking in various charities, mentoring and community service events. Since its inception in 2007, the FLG organization has successfully used lacrosse as a foundation to build more than just athletes.
An In-Depth Discussion about the athletic recruiting process with Patty Costlow, Recruiting Coordinator at Munciana Volleyball Club.
Patty has over 25 years of experience in club sports space, and she has some choice words for clubs: “I would challenge club directors. You have to take a look at what you can offer your club participants much more seriously. It is our duty as owners of clubs, as staff of clubs, as coaches of clubs to be a part of the process. It takes being all in.”
In Episode I, we sit down with Patty to discuss what it takes for student-athletes, families, and clubs for successful collegiate recruiting. In this discussion, Patty touches on why communication is so vital to the recruiting process, why relationships are paramount and much more.
Show Notes
- On developing an elite recruiting program with all 240 recruitable athletes at Munciana Volleyball Club [5:00]
- Managing communication between parents, student-athletes, college coaches, and club staff without losing the thread. [5:30]
- On the importance of building relationships in recruiting, both for clubs and players. [11:45]
- The biggest misconception in recruiting [13:18]
- Lessons about going from rejection to perseverance to success. [17:55]
- On clubs creating the best recruiting program: Where to Start and what to think about? [24:09]
Selected Links from the Episode | For Club Staff
Selected Links from the Episode | For Players and Families
Selected Quotes from Patty Costlow
- “It doesn’t matter if you’re the top player in the country or you’re the player at the bottom. The process is the same.”
- “There are a lot of talented athletes, and that’s the thing. A college coach has a big base to shoot from, but I hear from college coaches and they tell me, ‘You’ve got 3 athletes that are all the same athletic ability, but were going to give the offer to the one that we know is the most interested.’”
- “You’re an athlete, that’s really not who you are. Without communication, that college coach doesn’t know who you really are.”
- “Be honest about the level you can play at, understanding what your strengths and weaknesses are, and then building a target list of schools and trying to communicate with those coaches.”
- “I want kids to understand that there’s always someone around that can help them determine those things. If you’re at a club and you don’t really have a recruiting coordinator, your club coach can help you. Your club director, your high school coach […] There’s always some type of resource.”
- “I would challenge club directors. You have to take a look at what you can offer your club participants much more seriously. The way that recruiting is now, college coaches recruit from clubs. It is, I think, our duty as owners of clubs, as staff of clubs, as coaches of clubs to be a part of the process. It takes being all in.”
- “When our ownership and our club directors went all in, they knew we’re not going back from here. This is where we change things. You have to have someone who is passionate about it, who’s dedicated to it.”